Saturday, August 13, 2005

A fundamental difference between "us" and "them"

AAR was pre-empted last night, our local affiliate chose to air a ballgame instead. Disappointed, I scanned the dial, and stumbled upon Lars Larsen.

This guy is something else, but it wasn't Lars' venom that I found interesting. It was the comments made by his listeners.

Perhaps (most likely) his calls were screened carefully to get the type of caller he can work with, but all his callers shared a common belief. A belief that defined all their other beliefs.

Ever caller dismissed liberals as unpatriotic.

One guy was enraged, having recently seen an American Flag bumper sticker alongside a Kerry sticker. And this went on and on. One caller after another said exactly the same thing.

Curious if this was due to calls being screened, I checked out Rush and some conservative sites. It's all the same. Or at least a lot of it is. They dismiss what we say because we are "unpatriotic".

What a marvelous mechanism. For them, it's about the messenger, not the message. Because of this, they can easily dismiss facts. Fact can never be a component of their belief system. If they saw things for what they are, their worlds would shake. It is much easier to blindly trust, and follow, than it is to think and consider. Being reactive comes more naturally than being mindful.

Liberals, for the most part, are exactly the opposite.

We are immersed in facts. What we don't know, we want to know. We fight for information that is withheld from us. We meticulously dissect events that transpire, attempting as best we can to discover what is real, and what is not. We don't brand conservatives as unpatriotic (or worse). To us, the message, the facts, are what is important. Not the messenger.

Of course not all conservatives are mindless drones, far from it. But they do seem fixated on us, and not what we stand for.

They stick "Support the Troops" stickers on their SUV's, and they fly the flag proudly. They support their President, because that's what patriotic Americans are supposed to do.

Someone should remind them that without the efforts of American Patriots who rebelled for freedom, there would be no United States.

I wonder how Fox News would have covered the American Revolution?


Anonymous caspixel said...

This seems like an appropriate post to drag out this quote:

"Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
--Herman Goering

Pretty freakin' frightening.

Hey, have you seen Bush's latest quote on Iran?

"As I say, all options are on the table. The use of force is the last option for any president and you know, we've used force in the recent past to secure our country."

Are you getting a sick sense of deja vu? What do you think the timeline will be?

4:32 PM  
Blogger evil eggplant said...

Hey, have you seen Bush's latest quote on Iran?

"As I say, all options are on the table. The use of force is the last option for any president and you know, we've used force in the recent past to secure our country."

Are you getting a sick sense of deja vu? What do you think the timeline will be?

Yes, I'm scared shitless. I don't think we have the resources to do Iran, we're spread pretty thin.

But he would love to do Iran.

Which would mean a draft. Which would mean that rich white suburban kids would have to go too. Kids who don't want to go, with parents who don't want them to go. Senators kids will be spared, along with the offspring of powerful interests, but the rank and file will not be pleased wy this.

It may not matter, though. Someone, somewhere, may decide to push a button.

Yeah, C, I'm really scared.

4:40 PM  
Blogger evil eggplant said...

Scary quote, BTW. I have seen that before. It is always scary.

4:42 PM  
Anonymous caspixel said...

But he would love to do Iran.

And you know he doesn't care one whit about what the world or Americans think. It's all about Bush and Bush's agenda.

I have been reading more. Here's a good article:

Iran No; China Yes
Why is Cheney Lobbying for a Boost in China's Nuclear Capability?

I think liberals are the new conservatives.

5:09 PM  
Anonymous caspixel said...


Iran Is Judged 10 Years From Nuclear Bomb
U.S. Intelligence Review Contrasts With Administration Statements

Of course this is just a blip on the radar screen, quickly passed over and discounted because Iran is an "imminent threat", or will be.

You can bet that intelligence is going to be fixed and a diversion will be created.

5:12 PM  
Blogger evil eggplant said...

I know bush is a psycho. He would love to do it, but he can't do it alone. Do you think his cronies will go for it?

Going into Iran is just fucking crazy. Plain fucking crazy.

He can't do it without congress. Do you think Congress will go for it after the shit he pulled to get us into Iraq?

If they do then this is a fucking dictatorship we're living in. Oh my God, how can they do it?
I know he wants to, but what about his cronies? Please tell me that the system is not so corrupt that this can happen.

6:01 PM  
Anonymous caspixel said...

Did you forget that his cronies are all PNAC guys? They want it as much as he does, if not more. Do you really think it's just Bush pushing for this?

Remember...wars on multiple fronts, establish a strong presence in the Middle East.

And remember Congress are a bunch of Bush lackies. Good Republicans towing the party line, reitereating the talking points. He HAS to do it before mid-term elections.

I'm thinking the next terrorist attack (courtesy of BushCo) will be coming this fall...maybe even on the anniversary of 9/11 (bad, bad terrorists), so the war with Iran will start between March and June 2006.

They are laying the ground work. No doubt about it. It's so fucking obvious.

6:26 PM  
Anonymous caspixel said...

"Please tell me that the system is not so corrupt that this can happen."

I bet we don't even know the half of it.

6:27 PM  
Anonymous caspixel said...

This is so disgusting:

The Department of Defense is scheduling a memorial walk for the victims of 9/11 and the war veterans, to culminate in a concert headlined by Clint Black. He is going to perform a song penned special for the occation called "Iraq and I Roll".

It starts like this:



Excuse me while I go vomit.

8:27 PM  
Anonymous caspixel said...

Speculation on the next terrorist attack:

It will happen on the west coast in either LA or SF (can't kill of his constituents and good riddance to a bunch of fags and/or a bunch of Hollywood Leftists).

It will be a dirty bomb, to justify a nuclear attack on Iran.

8:30 PM  
Blogger evil eggplant said...

I read the transcripts earlier, but I just saw him on TV. He is a fucking psycho.If there is any way to get us into Iran, He will do it.

Time to wag the fucking dog.

Great song lyrics, by the way.

Speculation on the next terrorist atack? If there is any attack of any kind they will go with it. If there is no attack, I don't believe they will roll their own, but I do think a undetonated dirty bomb will be found somewhere in the heartland, a mall, airport or municipal center.

9:13 PM  
Anonymous caspixel said...

Also, I think Bush will attack Iran even without the approval of Congress. This administration has not been held accountable for anything so far, to the point where it's beginning to feel invincible.

He didn't care about the approval of the UN in the Iraq war, so the door has already opened a crack.

10:36 PM  
Anonymous caspixel said...

Also, think about it, Bush is already usurping the power of Congress with his recess appointment of Bolton to the UN post. Pretty soon, Congress's power will be obsolete.

8:43 PM  
Blogger Zoffa said...

well, technically, he can provoke action for thirty days without congressional approval in certain circumstances and something tells me congress would be rather understanding about bush's lack of desire to have to make his case to congress and by extension the citizens of this country.

I disagree with the majority of posts here implying iran is going to be pre-midterms. If congress signs up for a war in Iran or rubberstamps it or allows the president to do it without some seriously compelling evidence then the repubs, pardon my language, are fucked. It would be a disaster of the highest scale and congressional republicans are not eager to be tied to the president right now particularly on such an important decision.
It seems more likely to me that bush and the republican national committee will squeeze every ounce out of their post-mid terms days seeing as how their next "accountabiility moment" will be quite some time away (and non-existent for the administration unless cheney renegs and runs). this period before the mid-terms doesn't scare me as much as the period after. We're likely to see our troop levels significantly reduced in a play for public support pre-midterm. Post midterm, all bets are off.

1:49 PM  

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